@VH7 And two thirds of evangelicals believe it is more than that.
Sea Breeze
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The self-appointed "slave" said this - in 1935
by BoogerMan inwatchtower august 15th 1935 - "...the greatest of all tribulations mentioned in the scriptures must come after the great multitude appears and must be that which is mentioned by christ jesus as “tribulation such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time.” that tribulation period began with the “day of jehovah”, to wit, in 1914, when the war started against satan’s organization in heaven, and reaches the great climax at the time of the battle of armageddon, the great day of god almighty.
110 years - and counting!.
other denominations claim the great tribulation is only going to last for 7 years.
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Q about Jesus' sacrifice
by oncebitten ini have several jw family members.
i have been shunned many years now.
i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.
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@touchofgrey
The advice from both was appropriate since one was issued in the Age of Law and the other in the Age of Grace. Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Paul was Apostle to the Gentiles.
Even so, as Jesus got closer to the work he would do on the cross, he told Nicodemas 3 times that he must be born again.
Good works in the NT flow from a supernaturally changed life (a new spirit), not will-power.Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father..... But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth:
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Vomit Eaters and Filthy Whores
by Sea Breeze inthe watchtower characterizes christians not affiliated with the watchtower corporation as vomit eaters and filthy whores: .
“how well they pictured the spiritual drunkards of christendom at the present time!
besides actual wine and intoxicating liquors, there are other things to intoxicate the priests and preachers in christendom so as to induce drowsiness in them, to make them reel, to confuse things before their religious vision, to induce them to belch out the vomit of spiritually filthy things” - w59 3/1 pp.
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Sea Breeze
Looks like there was a change in Pure Worship book:
Do the prostitute sisters, Oholah and Oholibah, prefigure Christendom with its division between the Catholic and Protestant faiths?
Scriptures: Ezek. 23:1-4
Pure Worship: Chap. 15, box 15A
Previous understanding: Oholah (Samaria, capital of Israel), the older sister, pictures Catholicism; Oholibah (Jerusalem, capital of Judah), the younger sister, pictures Protestantism.
Clarification: These prostitute sisters are not prophetic types of any parts of Christendom. Rather, their existence serves to teach us about how Jehovah feels when those who were once his loyal people commit spiritual prostitution. His feelings regarding all false religion are similar.
Reasoning behind the change: There is no Scriptural indication that Oholah and Oholibah are prophetic types of Christendom. Israel and Judah were once like faithful wives to Jehovah, but Christendom has never had such a relationship with Jehovah. Further, the comparisons of God’s unfaithful people to prostitutes in chapters 16 and 23 of Ezekiel offer hope of reform and restoration. Christendom, as part of Babylon the Great, has no such hope.
Apparently, the whoredom of the Oholibah sisters now only represents to Christians who were once JW's!
Rather, their existence (the whore sisters) serves to teach us about how Jehovah feels when those who were once his loyal people commit spiritual prostitution.
So, WT saves the worst of their language for the few of us who make it out and then back to God inspite of their Jedi mind tricks.
The Watchtower must be especially afraid of people like me to prompt them to bestow this esteemed honor on us. I wonder why?
Love it! I do think the WT recognizes that a new front has opened up on them with the whole whore thing. It may turn out to be a big hole they dig and then proceed to fall in it.
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A Real Man
by Vanderhoven7 inthe meaning of true love from a man.. by elizabeth rossi, freelance writer .
i hate to say this but most women will go their entire lifetime and never experience the meaning of actual true love.. it's even slightly depressing to think that most people will never understand how powerful this picture actually is; a prime example of how men should be treating their partner with everyday that passes.. we unfortunately live in a generation with men who have no idea what it takes to be a real man.. let me give you a couple examples of a real man ....... a real man asks about your day and genuinely cares about the answer.. a real man respects your boundaries and never forces you to anything you're not ready to do.. he makes time for you, and takes that time to learn and understand who you are as a person.. a real man consistently shows you the definition of effort with every day that passes.. he will call you randomly throughout the day just to check on you and your mental health.. a real man is undeniably committed to you and looks for new ways to fall in love with you with every day that passes.. he makes protecting your heart a number one priority.. a real man never makes permanent decisions based on temporary emotions.. he never confuses you on where you stand in his life.. a real man apologizes when he is wrong and stays true to his character.. he doesn't mind hurting other people's feeling to protect yours.. a real man gives you affection without sexual expectation.. a real man refuses to entertain any women that isn't you.. he has genuine intentions with you from day one and shows you how it truly feels to be a priority rather an option.. a real man will help you heal from the trauma that nobody apologized for.. a real man values you and would never put themselves in a position to lose you.. take my advice and wait for the man that never let's you fall asleep at night questioning your own self worth.. .
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Sea Breeze
I think the title should be - A Real Husband
A real husband will learn most of that stuff in the OP if he simply pays attention and loves his wife, marriage and family.
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The apostle Paul was WRONGLY inspired by the H.S.: The New Covenant is NOT everlasting!
by BoogerMan inonly its benefits will be everlasting.
(for the earthly 2nd class sheep).
w80 7/1 p. 31 - questions from readers - why does the november 15, 1979, issue of the watchtower (pages 26, 27) speak of the “new covenant” being near the end of its operation, when hebrews 13:20 speaks of this covenant as being “an everlasting covenant”?
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Sea Breeze
When the last of these approved spiritual Israelites cease to be ‘men’ because of earthly death and a resurrection to a share in the heavenly kingdom, then the mediatorship of Jesus Christ will cease also.
The WT hates Jesus. The little peasant boy from nowhereville who defeated Satan and saved anyone who wanted it. And, they especially hate how simple God made it for "whosoever" to inherit everlasting life and membership into the family of God. Satan is a defeated enemy, and these kinds of scams are all he is able to do while he awaits his final home - Eternity in the Lake of Fire.
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Where is Tony?
by Athanasius inon february 22, 2023, anthony morris iii was officially removed from the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.
a few months later it was revealed that the watchtower bought him a house in lumberton, north carolina.. however, and correct me if i am wrong, since leaving the gb nobody has reported seeing tony attending jw meetings or participating in field service.
in fact nobody has reported seeing him anywhere, not even at a local liquor store.
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Sea Breeze
"He joked that he's ‘trying to keep her alive till the end, because he's too old to break in a new wife. The audience laughed. ’"
What a callous thing to say. It's all about him and his desires.
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Q about Jesus' sacrifice
by oncebitten ini have several jw family members.
i have been shunned many years now.
i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.
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@oncebitten
Cut and paste the quote you selcted into the posting box you normally type in for your postings. Then highlight what you just pasted. Then click the quotations icon (third from left)
It's that simple!
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Q about Jesus' sacrifice
by oncebitten ini have several jw family members.
i have been shunned many years now.
i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.
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Sea Breeze
there is the concept in Witness publications that the Christian scriptures was written for the anointed ones.
Historical Christianity including the apostles believe the same thing. The switch happened when the WT convinced people that they could still be Christians without being anointed. The WT changed the definition of what anointed meant in the bible. A JW will think that it means going to heaven. But "anointed" is the same as "being declared righteous" and also the same as being "Justified".
No Justification = no salvation from judgment.
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:... Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. - Romans 5: 1&9
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Q about Jesus' sacrifice
by oncebitten ini have several jw family members.
i have been shunned many years now.
i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.
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@Vidiot
WT theology (indoctrination) cannot be untangled unless a persons does two things:
1. You must totally get rid of symbolic interpretation unless it is warranted in the same verse(s) you believe might be metaphoric.
2. You must abandon all non biblical definitions of words, concepts and phrases.
In the above instance you referenced, death means separation of the soul, body, spirit interfaces of identity, not non-existence.
Genesis 35:18 Amplified Bible (AMP)And as her soul was departing, (for she died), she named him Ben-oni (son of my sorrow); but his father called him Benjamin (son of the right hand).So while the wages of sin is death, there is still judgment and punishment after death... unless of course a person accepts Jesus' offer to be punished in their place. (See Hebrews 9: 27 & 2 Corinthians 5:21 ) -
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by oncebitten ini have several jw family members.
i have been shunned many years now.
i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.
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I suppose due to an allowance for "family business' I was in contact with a jw relative not long ago. A mutual JW family member died. This Jw relative announce to me that this deceased person's sins were forgiven by his death. I was not sure if I heard correctly, and innocently asked, What? You mean by Jesus' death?
That brought laughter and this reply; "No of course not,.Jesus didnt die for our sins- he died for Adam's sins"
This person has been a JW for 28 years. So I will assume that is the current belief of a Jw. Any thoughts?I have thought a lot about this topic. Yes, it is still current theology. But, it is not pushed because it is just so reprehensible to even speak it. If they harped on it too much, the members would realize that they were working for their salvation which is clearly condemned in scripture.
Yet, undercurrents of self-atonement and works-based salvation are readily accepted even though they will profess the opposite when questioned. It is a weird existence the JW's try to live. No wonder so many mental problems.